1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

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Alan H
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby Alan H » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:28 am

Never understood that. Who's going to steal a burning bike?

It may have been for bikes on the road Paul. Be interesting if someone with a CN policy checks the wording of it though.
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby wardy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:02 am

Alan H wrote:The vehicle (of any type) has to be MOT'd when declaring MOT exemption, so it should be roadworthy at that time. Someone mentioned to me yesterday that Carol Nash insurance insured vehicles have to be MOT'd to claim for theft.

Does this therefore mean that my gt750 which is mot'd till may 12th. will have to be re-tested in order to declare it mot free on the 20th of May?... seems crazy that, just for a few days.?
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby canaletto5 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:16 am

No

Richard posted this

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... idance.pdf

You just have to apply for MOT exemption. You do not need a current MOT

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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby wardy » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:46 pm

thanks for that!
Andy;
1976 gt750A; 86 FZ750
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1982 z400j
1981 z650f.....1988 Sufolk punch 14"
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby nairb123 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:00 pm

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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby yeadon_m » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:29 pm

All of my three GTs were first reg in 1977.

GT750A: 4th April 1977, next MOT: 18th July 2018, next tax: 31st March 2019 (just taxed it).
GT550B: 27th May 1977, next MOT: 19th Sept 2018, next tax: 31st Oct 2018.
GT380B: 19th Aug 1977, next MOT: 18th Sept 2018, next tax: 31st August 2018.

As I find I am very hard of thinking these days (if it isn't the strong tablets, its the mod/severe pain!) could someone decode what this should mean for free tax / not needing MOTs?

Thanks guys, in advance,
Mike

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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby Alan H » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:49 pm

They're all 'hysteric' so they are free tax. They can all be MOT exempt after 20th May as they are historic, Mike.


I suggested to my local bike shop that as there may be lost business MOT-wise after 20th May, he might think about a 'MOT check' without a certificate, or even a roadworthiness check - similar to the MOT - at a cheaper price so that;
a. the customer knows his bike is roadworthy.
b. the government doesn't get a cut of the MOT fee.
c. it would be paperwork free for the shop so it might be a nice little earner.

Not that he wouldn't declare it of course..... :roll:

Personally, I'm not sure I like the idea of no MOT. I think there will be insurance issues as mentioned earlier.
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby PaulD738 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:56 pm

Just for a change I’m with Alan on this one. A “safety” check by a qualified MOT tester would put my mind at ease. Even the best of us can miss something vital. A second pair of eyes is always a good idea and is something we used to do when racing just to be sure. The bikes had to go through scrutineering at the start of the event but we always checked before each race just to be safe. What really scares me is the thought of some ham fisted bodger home mechanic who is on a budget running his Kettle/H2 Kawa/Z900 without any safety checks :shock:
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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby Harrymail » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:06 pm

yeadon_m wrote:All of my three GTs were first reg in 1977.

GT750A: 4th April 1977, next MOT: 18th July 2018, next tax: 31st March 2019 (just taxed it).
GT550B: 27th May 1977, next MOT: 19th Sept 2018, next tax: 31st Oct 2018.
GT380B: 19th Aug 1977, next MOT: 18th Sept 2018, next tax: 31st August 2018.

As I find I am very hard of thinking these days (if it isn't the strong tablets, its the mod/severe pain!) could someone decode what this should mean for free tax / not needing MOTs?

Thanks guys, in advance,
Mike


Mike

I have read an article by the FBHVC (Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs) in my classic car club magazine, which states that interpretation of the legislation is still to be finalised. The legislation as it stands requires that mot exemption can only be applied for when taxing a vehicle. A declaration will need to be made each year that the vehicle is roadworthy. It is proposed that this will be done when taxing the vehicle (which will also be tax exempt). In the first year, to renew road tax then the vehicle would need to have a current mot, before the exemption could be applied for. It is thought by the FBHVC that having to have a current mot on a vehicle that is potentialy mot exempt does not make sense. Further guidance is to be issued before 20th May. So with ony a few weeks to go it is unclear as yet what the new procedures will be for mot exemption.

To me it does not make sense to self declare that your vehicle is roadworthy, most people will make the declaration regardless.

Also Mike, all your bikes are tax exempt from 1st April 2018. Just take your V5C's into the post office with the taxation class box completed with "Historic" in it. (And sign it). Post office will send off and you will get a new registration document, and a refund of any road tax paid for the period from 1st April 2018 to expiry. Best go to a large post office who are familiar with this.

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Re: 1977 vehicles now road tax exempt

Postby yeadon_m » Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:45 am

Thank you, Alan & Harry. Thats good news. All I need to do is find the best PO to take my docs to.
Paul, I'm with you on the 'safety "MOT"'. I'll await guidance on that, anyway.
Cheers,
Mike


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